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PC(USA) sexual standards must be required, Gagnon tells New Wineskins PDF Print E-mail
Written by Leslie Scanlon   
Monday, 14 August 2006 12:00

nws-gagnon.JPGTULSA -- Some say that the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) has historically permitted freedom of conscience within certain bounds.

But the presbyteries never intended the denomination's ordination standards regarding sexual behavior to be anything but required and compulsory, contends Robert Gagnon, a New Testament professor at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary.

Those standards -- which limit ordination to those who practice fidelity if they're married or chastity if they are single -- should mean the PC(USA) won't ordain sexually active gays and lesbians, and will not countenance what Gagnon calls "serial unrepentant sexual immorality."

 

 


Robert Gagnon

nws-gagnon.JPGTULSA -- Some say that the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) has historically permitted freedom of conscience within certain bounds.

But the presbyteries never intended the denomination's ordination standards regarding sexual behavior to be anything but required and compulsory, contends Robert Gagnon, a New Testament professor at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary.

Those standards -- which limit ordination to those who practice fidelity if they're married or chastity if they are single -- should mean the PC(USA) won't ordain sexually active gays and lesbians, and will not countenance what Gagnon calls "serial unrepentant sexual immorality."

Gagnon (pictured at left) spoke July 20 to the New Wineskins convocation in Oklahoma -- and his remarks drew a sustained standing ovation.

 

Gagnon said the "fidelity and chastity" standard was always intended to be a mandate -- something required -- and he says the General Assembly's recent action to approve the report of the Theological Task Force on the Peace, Unity, and Purity of the PC(USA) unquestionably undercuts that. Now, a candidate for ordination could declare a conscientious objection or "scruple" to the "fidelity and chastity" standard -- and could be ordained if the presbytery or session involved determined that the departure from the standard did not involve an essential matter of Reformed faith or practice.

Gagnon told the New Wineskins session that everyone understood the "fidelity and chastity" language to be mandatory -- even the liberals working so hard to get it taken out of the PC(USA) constitution -- and to say otherwise involves a sudden "massive memory loss."

Why have the "fidelity and chastity" opponents fought so vigorously, "if it was simply non-essential from the beginning?" Gagnon asked them. "No one understood it that way," he said, and to violate the accepted understanding now "is to violate trust."

Gagnon said he expects the General Assembly Permanent Judicial Commission (GA PJC) will be asked to rule whether the PC(USA)'s ordination standards involving sexuality are essential -- and he says while it's possible the church's highest court will find that the current standards are essential and must be followed, he doesn't consider that likely.

He said the assembly's action regarding the task force report will "destroy our connectionism," create more conflict in presbyteries and on sessions, and "ultimately it will torment people's souls," if their presbyteries or sessions ordain sexually active gays and lesbians in conflict with what they believe the Bible teaches.

So what should evangelical Presbyterians do?

"Whatever we do must be done together," Gagnon said to clapping and shouts of "Amen!"

Evangelical Presbyterians must stick together in strategy, he said, or "otherwise we shall all surely fall."

And Gagnon argued, "We owe it to wait on the GA PJC. I think it's extraordinarily unlikely for the GA PJC to rule correctly here ... but it is still possible."

When will that be, a woman shouted out -- in essence asking, `How long will they have to wait?'

"I suspect it will be within a year, two years at most," he answered -- a response that may not please some of the New Wineskins crowd, since some of them contend that the time to act, and perhaps leave the denomination, already has come.

                       

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Member, First PC, Bryan, TX
written by Carl Van Valkenburg, August 21, 2006
So, it's OK if I am unrepentant about one sexual experience, but not OK if I am unrepentant about...how many? When does serial start? Is serial in the concordance of the translation the reader prefers? If not, does that indicate a flaw in bibilical scholarship on the part of the translators? Does the word serial occur in the confessions?

Is the 'serial' standard biblical, in accordance with the book of confessions, or simply trying to make what is absurd seem reasonable?

If I feel exultant about past illicit sexual experiences, it is OK as long as I am exuberant about less than (please fill in the number) sexual episodes. That seems to be Mr. Gagnon's well thought out (and reportedly well received) theology.

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Parish Associate, Community of Reconciliation
written by Janet Edwards, August 19, 2006
I am so disappointed that New Wineskins gave Robert Gagnon a forum and The Outlook covered it (August 14, 2006). I hesitated to write because then I, too, am giving Gagnon the attention he so obviously craves, and I risk becoming like him. But his unchristian spirit cannot be allowed to remain unanswered at this crucial moment in the life of our church.
To his main point: G-6.0106b has been challenged repeatedly because it is a duplicitous blunt instrument to scapegoat gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Presbyterians. Surely "love one another" is an essential of Reformed faith and polity so the effort will continue to be made until G-6.0106b is removed. Gagnon's twisting of this opposition to prove the sexual standard to be essential is a good example of his manipulative tactics.
And please, there is no one on the left of the church who speaks with the same judgmental, insulting vindictiveness toward those who disagree with him as Gagnon does. Thank God. Gagnon may say and think what he pleases. I pray for the day when Presbyterians stop listening to him because the day is coming swiftly when Gagnon's ideas will be an historical embarrassment to our church.

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member SHPC
written by v c scott, August 17, 2006
Mr. Gagnon speaks very effectively for thousands if not hundreds of thousands of PCUSA members who feel betrayed by leadership. The PUP is a cyanical end run around the constitution after failing twice at amending-the proper course of action. Regarding Mr. Martin's comments,Ihave no interest in the actions of others as long as I am not associated in a common organization. The scruple concept may prove useful-I plan to ask my church to scruple the property clause.
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written by Cameron Mott, August 14, 2006
Doesn't a scruple still have to be constitutional?

I think it prudent that Mr. Gagnon suggests we be hurt before we cry but I'd be interested to know on what does he base his conviction that the GAPJC will hurt us?
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written by Hal Martin, August 14, 2006
How is it that 'now' a candidate can declare a sruple, where he or she could not before? How are ordaining bodies constrained, or freed, in their decision-making by adopting the authoritative interpretation? I can discern nothing that they can do now that they couldn't do in May.

Also, funny how the Winskins claim to be all about local control, but they are freaking out about what rogue presbyteries and churches might do.
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written by BOBBIE COXE, July 23, 2006
what do they mean by 'leave the donomination'?
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Pastor
written by Sydney Smith, July 22, 2006
When I first became aware of Robert Gagnon several years ago, I thought I was encountering a respectable scholar. Sadly, time has proved me wrong. I am reading and hearing in Gagnon's word choice and style a skilled propagandist who is coming closer to a shrieking and shrill rant.

IT appears he has a parallel in Dr. Patterson of the Southern Baptist Convention crisis from 25 years ago. Perhaps Gagnon will play a similar role in the founding of the new Pesbyterian denomination-to-be.
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written by Jeffrey Ogden, July 20, 2006
It is in Jesus Christ that we hold together, not in Louisville, not in the opinion of the ACC or the GAPJC. We must find our connectionalism in a shared theology, a shared view of the Word of God (Incarnate and Written), a shared mission, not in property, not in polity alone.

Until that happens there will always be conflict and division, as it should be for 'What agreement has Christ with Belial?...What agreement has a temple of God with idols?' 2 Cor 6:15-16

God Bless Rob Gagnon and his willingness to stand for the truth.

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