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Why do we Presbyterians continue to fight? PDF Print E-mail
Written by Erwin C. Barron   
Sunday, 09 November 2008 00:00

Editor’s note: This is the first installment of a three-part series. Succeeding installments will appear in later issues of the Outlook The topics include: “Why Scripture divides us,” and “The priority of experience in moral debate.”

The opposing sides lined up at microphones at the General Assembly meeting in California last June, to argue for and against ordination of homosexuals and gay marriage. Soon we’ll see ministers and elders lining up in presbytery meetings as they join the argument. We seem to go over this again and again and again, debating the ethics of sexuality in our denomination. Why does the debate drag on and so little resolution come about? The tension between opposing “sides” in the halls of General Assembly and throughout the church is palpable. But what is behind these divisions in the political arena of a national gathering? 

Looking for answers, I spent more than a year living in this division studying two local congregations with opposing views on homosexuality.

Bayview Hills Church (the names of the churches have been changed) proudly proclaims itself as a “More Light” congregation and flies a rainbow flag in front the church building. First Church of Westfield joined the “Confessing Church” movement several years ago and has incorporated the confessing church credo into all of its promotional literature. These two PC(USA) congregations are located less than twenty miles from each other in the same presbytery. They are about the same size, have similar levels of activities, and both have women as senior pastors. And yet, the two congregations have made public stances on opposite poles of the debate over homosexuality.

I spent more than six months in each of these congregations, worshiping with them weekly, participating in Bible studies and potlucks, attending Sunday school, and interviewing members of the congregations. I explored how each congregation taught about ethical authority and how they actually authorized their public stance on homosexuality. I interviewed members about their understanding of the position taken by their congregation;  I asked about their experiences with homosexual persons, and we talked about many other ethical issues. Though the churches seemed radically different on the surface, I was incredibly surprised by what I found when I scratched beneath the surface.

As a lifelong Presbyterian, I was very comfortable in both congregations. They had a lot more in common than they had differences. Both of these congregations could be considered typical Presbyterian congregations in many ways. They generally followed Presbyterian styles of worship, preaching, and sacraments. They definitely followed Presbyterian government and organization by committee. And both congregations generally had the kind of theological diversity one expects to find in a middle-class Presbyterian church. Spending time in these two communities, I could easily become involved in the life of the congregation and forget that they were involved in the huge ethical debates ravaging the national church. Growing up in the liberal tradition, I felt much more at home in the Bayview Hills congregation with their emphasis on justice and social causes. However, I was surprised by how much I found familiar and welcoming in Westfield. People in the “confessing church” were genuinely open and welcoming, rarely discussing divisive issues, so they could allow a wide range of quietly-held opinions. Despite their liberal rhetoric, Bayview Hills sometimes seemed more intolerant and exclusive than Westfield in its insistence on certain political positions. However, in both congregations, I found diverse, real human beings living real human lives, sharing the experiences of Christian community. And I found that those human experiences of their real lives were what were most important to these people, not abstract issues, even biblical ones. 

Of course, the churches had differences. I set out to explore how these otherwise similar Presbyterian churches could come down on such opposite sides of the divisive debates in the denomination over homosexuality. I wanted to see how these folks arrived at their ethical positions. How did they come to the opposing conclusions that homosexuality was either a gift from God or a dreadful sin that must be lovingly corrected? 

When Christians begin to make decisions about moral issues, modern ethical theory suggests that we use several sources of authority to derive our moral norms. For Protestants, the most important of these is Scripture. We Protestants always and importantly look to God’s word expressed in the Bible to guide us. But that is not our only source of moral authority. We also look to the continuing revelation of God in our experiences in history and tradition, in science, in reasoning, and in everyday events to guide us. Scripture and experience both must guide our moral decision-making. And reliance on one without the other can be dangerous and offensive.

Much of the debate in our churches today involves these sources of moral authority. More traditional churches such as Westfield begin the debate with Scripture and tend to discount the role of experience. They may say something like, “I know that it doesn’t feel right, but Scripture says this, so I know it’s true.” More progressive churches such as Bayview Hills focus first on experience and tend to ignore or trivialize the role of Scripture. One person in that church said to me, “I know what Scripture says, but my heart tells me it is wrong.” 

In our debates in the Presbyterian Church, we most often focus long and hard on Scripture. Just look at all the books written on biblical sexuality and what the Bible has to say about homosexuality. What we have often failed to do, however, is to take seriously the role of human experience. 

When one thinks through almost any issue, one cannot deny the important role of our experience. One of the most important modern Christian ethicists, James Gustavson, says that “experience has priority.” In other words, he says that we read everything, including Scripture, through our experience. We cannot avoid it. When we read about Jesus being the “good shepherd,” until we know something about shepherds or have some experience with sheep and shepherds, that biblical passage has little meaning. Our experience necessarily must have priority. In her analysis of Christian ethics, ethicist Margaret Farley says, “In the end, the interpretation [of Scripture] must ‘make sense’ to the interpreter; it must make sense of, but also to, the interpreter’s experience.” Farley argues that no moral standard will hold for long if one’s personal experience consistently and regularly suggests otherwise. If some authority insists that we should not breathe oxygen because it is morally wrong, our experience would very soon contradict that moral standard, and we would be gasping for breath. All moral standards, even biblical ones, must somehow fit in with and make sense to our ordinary experience

No one is suggesting that Scripture be ignored. In fact, many Christians ethicists insist also that moral standards derived from our experiences need to be confirmed by Scripture. However, in our debates, we have not focused enough on the role of experience.

In the next two issues of the Outlook I will explore how these two opposing churches used Scripture and experience to derive their moral standards. And I will suggest ways that we may use these two sources to further our discussions without the divisiveness we have so often experienced. We need to look to Scripture and also examine and share our human and Christian experiences to find what God is leading us to do on these difficult and controversial ethical issues.

 

Erwin C. Barron is an ordained Presbyterian minister teaching at City College of San Francisco and the University of San Francisco. He received his M.Div. at Princeton Theological Seminary and his Ph.D. in Christian Ethics from the Graduate Theological Seminary. This two-congregation study was done as a part of his work on his dissertation.

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Scripture and Experience
written by Michael Moore, December 03, 2008
While I understand, and agree with the fact that experience should be a part of our theological reasoning; we cannot put experience on a level above Scripture. John Calvin and John Knox musts be spinning in their graves. To follow the ideological path of James Gustavson or Margaret Farley is to follow the road to the denomination's undoing. To quote Farley: "All moral standards, even biblical ones, must somehow fit in with and make sense to our ordinary experience." That may work for a social organization, but it cannot work for a denomination who owes ultimate allegiance to a higher than earthly authority!
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written by Wm Gamble, November 29, 2008
Is the writter of this article the same Mr Barron that married Mr Abellano? If I as a Head Of Staff Pastor just finished a public and messy divorce would you give me any due in writting an article on Why Divorce and Infidelity do not bear on my character as a Pastor?

How can we expect Mr Barron to write an article that would find himself to be in complete contradcition with himself? He of course will not write an articke that is unbiased, therefore his series should be removed form this publication if it is expected to have any credibility.

We expect better journalism Jack.
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Experience is one of the four sources of theology
written by Heather W. Reichgott, November 24, 2008
Protestant theology depends on four sources: Scripture, tradition, reason, and experience. Reformed theology generally puts Scripture first, but experience is in the picture as well.

I too have heard numerous arguments from experience (and I've made a few too)... either way I look forward to catching up on the rest of Rev. Barron's series.
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History of Interpretation, Global Church should be "basic" for biblical interpretation
written by Michael Walker, November 12, 2008
Like others above, I was quite surprised at the conclusion that we've focused too little on experience. One of our greater challenges both in the PC(USA) and in western culture generally is to find means of interpreting our experience, rather than trying to interpret everything else in light of our experience, which would presume we understand that experience in some unmediated form. The things that influence interpretation all fold back on each other in reciprocal fashion, but if there is any factor that has received greater, explicit attention in recent decades it is the shaping influence of our own experience. This is true for evangelical revivalism as well as one of its ironic offshoots, classic Protestant Liberalism, which made human experience a primary source of revelation (and understood the Bible as a record of prior, typically less enlightened human experience).

Two factors that the Christian Tradition has rightly placed great emphasis on, and which can help us interpret Scripture as well as our own experience, not to mention helping us recognize the cultural biases we bring to the interpretive task, are the history of biblical interpretation and the contemporary witness of the global church. What do history and the global church have to teach us about those areas of biblical interpretation about which we are divided? We don't often give much attention to such things, largely because we assume a sort of cultural superiority (relative to the global church) and a sort of chronological snobbery (where more recent ideas or experiences are inherently superior).

In any case, thanks for tackling an important issue. I hope you can give some attention to history and the non-western church and how they might inform our often exclusively western and modern ways of approaching the Scriptures.
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A line only a progressive would make / support
written by Matt Ferguson, November 11, 2008
I think Barron's article is fair in representing both viewpoints but I don't think Barron "gets it". Near the end of his article he states, "However, in our debates, we have not focused enough on the role of experience." This is a statement only a progressive would make.

In order to help us most fully understand God's Word I was taught in my seminary classes not only to seek to understand the cultural setting of when the text was written but also to study my own cultural setting and my personal biases I have that can lead me to distort my understanding of God's Word.

The progressive view that lifts up the role of personal experiences in understanding God's Word anew for our time is encouraging that which is discouraged by the orthodox view for interpretation, one that seeks to understand the changeless truths of God's Word once revealed but always true.

As others have already stated, in the discussions and debates I have heard in Presbytery on this topic are heavy in personal experience and lacking in scriptural foundation.
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Something Else Missing
written by Jim Stochl, November 11, 2008
I appreciate the method Barron used in his study, a good model to follow. Walk in the shoes of someone else to understand their position and point of view. So far so good.

I think the "scripture and experience" dichotomy is too short-sighted. I think the Wesleyans are closer to the evaluative norm with their Quadrilateral: Scripture, Tradition, Reason, and Experience. Barron conveniently leaves out Tradition and Reason as criteria for theological and ethical reflection.

I agree that Scripture and Experience have polarized this particular discussion. But I also wonder whether they are not the culprits. I wonder whether our culture's ability to discuss and debate has become so anemic that we can only resort on the one hand to proof-texting, and on the other hand to experiential anecdotes.

That said, I am looking forward to the followup articles.
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where to begin?
written by Doug Hucke, November 11, 2008
I believe Barron rightly understands the ethical dimensions of our "fighting." On one side we have those wanting to begin and end with Scripture and on the other side we have those want to begin and end with experience. But I disagree with the assessment "We have not focused enough on the role experience." Now that may be a nuanced statement addressing our need to understand the role "experience" plays in interpretation. I will wait to see if that is true with the next installments. But I am convinced we have absolutely focused on experience as the final arbitrator in this “fight.” Our presbyteries "debates" this issue by trading anecdotal sound bytes. Scripture is barely given a glancing pass (much as it is in Barron's article). It is alarmingly rare to see Scripture as the starting point or the final authority.

So I too will look forward to the next two installments.



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Scripture and Experience
written by Walter Taylor, November 10, 2008
I will read Barron's articles with real interest, given the "rules' that he lays out, particularly his assumption that we have not taken "experience" seriously enough in the debate. I am not convinced this assumption is correct. In presbytery debates on this issue I have heard far more appeals to experience than anything else, particularly from the liberal side in the debate.

Given Barron's assumptions about the role of "experience", I will be interested to see whether his "rules" have already determined the outcome.

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