GA 2010: UPDATED & EXPANDED: Ordination standards to be debated, voted again throughout PC(USA)
Written by Leslie Scanlon, Outlook national reporter   
Thursday, 08 July 2010 23:02

MINNEAPOLIS – Once again, the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) has voted to remove the requirement in the denomination’s constitution that those being ordained practice fidelity if they are married or chastity if they are single.

That marks the fourth time since the “fidelity and chastity” language was ratified in 1997 that the denomination’s 173 presbyteries have been asked to remove it. Three times they have said “No” – but the margin has been growing closer.

Some young Presbyterians, who have spoken about ordination during this assembly, note the PC(USA) has been fighting about whether to ordain sexually-active gays and lesbians longer than they have been alive.

This vote also comes during a year when the assembly is considering action on same-sex marriages – and Jerry Andrews, an evangelical who supports the “fidelity and chastity” standard, said it would be a “jaw-dropper” if the assembly voted to liberalize both.


On July 8, the assembly voted 373 to 323 (a margin of 53 to 46 percent) to approve an overture submitted by the Presbytery of Western Reserve.

The Western Reserve overture would replace “fidelity and chastity” with the following language:

“Standards for ordained service reflect the church’s desire to submit joyfully to the Lordship of Jesus Christ in all aspects of life.” The governing body responsible or ordaining or installing a candidate “shall examine each candidate’s calling, gifts, preparation, and suitability for the responsibilities of office,” and determine the candidate’s ability and commitment to fulfill the requirements presented in the constitutional questions for those being ordained and installed.

“Governing bodies shall be guided by Scripture and the confessions in applying standards to individual candidates.”

Cynthia Bolbach, the assembly’s moderator, led the assembly in prayer immediately after the vote. “Lord of majesty and mercy, we seek to follow where you lead,” even if it’s not clear where that is, she prayed. “We know that with you, we can do no wrong.”

Some who spoke against the Western Reserve overture warned that it would amount to local option – letting local governing bodies set their own ordination standards – and amounted to a lowering of the denomination’s ordination standards. Others said the overture would actually strengthen the standards.

“The highest ordination standard is to submit to Jesus Christ,” said Brian Wyatt, a minister from Holston Presbytery, during the debate.

There also was discussion about how Christians in the global South would react to a PC(USA) decision to ordain sexually-active gays and lesbians, and about what young people want – a traditional understanding of sexual morality, or more tolerance. And Presbyterians are well aware that they’re not alone in this — that other mainline denominations including the Episcopalians, Lutherans and Methodists, continue to struggle with the question of ordaining gays and lesbians as well.

Some warned that if the presbyteries vote to remove the “fidelity and chastity” standard, more individuals and congregations will leave the PC(USA), which now has about 2.1 million members.

Hector Reynoso, a minister from Mission Presbytery, who stood as a candidate for the assembly’s vice moderator earlier this week, said during the debate that “homosexuality is either a sin or it’s not. But it’s not both. Someone is in the right and someone’s wrong.”

If the presbyteries vote to change the ordination standards, Reynoso said he will leave the PC(USA). “I stand for Jesus and I invite you to stand with me.”

But Lacy Morris, a young adult advisory delegate from Arkansas Presbytery, said “it breaks my heart” that people are so afraid of ordaining gays and lesbians. In a denomination that earlier struggled with whether to ordain women or people of color, Morris said she sees the change in ordination standards as “one more step in the direction of Jesus Christ.”

Before approving the Western Reserve overture, the assembly rejected a minority report that sought to leave the current ordination standards intact but to send a pastoral letter instead.

The minority report also asked that the assembly put back into force definitive guidance statements from 1978 and 1979 prohibiting the ordination of “self-affirming practicing homosexuals.” The 2008 General Assembly passed an authoritative interpretation declaring definitive guidance no longer to be in force – and the minority report wanted to reinstate that.

It didn’t take long after the assembly’s vote for interest groups within the church to begin looking ahead to the vote in the presbyteries.

“The cumulative effect of this is not healthy for the church,” Jerry Andrews said, adding the PC(USA) missed an opportunity to be pastoral rather than divisive. In the months to come, “I’ll be marshaling the church to defeat this sucker one more time in the presbyteries,” and trying to encourage pastors of some of the denomination’s largest churches “not to quit on the church or to quit the church.”

Deborah Block, a pastor from Milwaukee and co-moderator of the Covenant Network of Presbyterians, which has worked to remove the “fidelity and chastity” standard, said “the positive vote today reflects an interest in continuing the conversation at the presbytery level. It’s a live issue.”

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blake spencer said:

gatesville, texas
In the midst of all the words we share we might turn our attention to the words of a child. These words were written abover her artwork depicting the church. Her version reads: "The hrte OF LOVE will nevr stop. you will owes love someone evin wen you mad or sad." The edited verson of her message: "The heart OF LOVE will never stop. You (God) will always love someone even when you are mad or sad."

Some say God is mad. Some say God is sad. In it all God's heart of love will never stop. God will always love.

Shared by a young girl of faith!
July 14, 2010

Tim Cornelson said:

Houston, TX
It's ironic that the new moderator, Cynthia Bolbach, prays “Lord of majesty and mercy, we seek to follow where you lead, even if it’s not clear where that is. We know that with you, we can do no wrong.”

If we can do nothing wrong, why is our denomination dying? I believe we are not following where He leads, and as such we are doing wrong. We lose the power of His Spirit to work mightily in and through us as by rejecting scripture. Oh, that we would be a denomination that *in Love* call people to repent from all sin and surrender our lives to Jesus.
July 13, 2010

Tim Cornelson said:

Houston, TX
I'm struck by the quote of Cynthia Bolbach's prayer
“Lord of majesty and mercy, we seek to follow where you lead,”
even if it’s not clear where that is, she prayed.
“We know that with you, we can do no wrong.”
If we can do no wrong, why is our denomination yet another that is dying?
July 13, 2010

Christopher Joiner said:

Franklin, Tennessee
I think there are sincere, deeply-held beliefs that animate the arguments on both sides. What I long for in my presbytery, and what has yet to materialize in any meaningful way, is a sustained conversation that gets beyond the soundbites of the presbytery floor. Such a conversation, if it is not dictated solely by the limited light of the ordination question, has the potential to at least move us beyond the same tired arguments of "bible" or "tradition" versus "inclusion" or "justice." Unfortunately, the only time we seem willing to really talk as a body is when we are forced to vote, and that necessarily limits the conversation and perpetuates the stereotyping and divisiveness that has characterized the debate for 30+ years.

Should we vote on the ordination question? Yes. Should that be the end of the conversation? No. It never really is the end of the conversation, hence the predictable two-year ritual. The question for all of us is what kind of conversation it is going to be.

Peace,
Chris Joiner
July 13, 2010

blake spencer said:

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Chas...peace be with you. Obviously we have different life stories and have encountered Christ's power and presence in different ways. Despite differences....Christ's peace is deep enough and wide enough to heal all those who show up at the table. I trust God's power and grace to heal the church and each one of us. Peace be yours as I have come to know that it is mine.
July 12, 2010

Kyle Walker said:

Bryan, TX
Chas,

I should have said this earlier. While I will dialogue with anyone, I have difficulty with personal attacks. Michael and Jane are friends of mine as are many on your side of the argument. They are all good people. Let's keep this dialogue on the high road and away from personal attacks, even in a blog.

Blessings,

Kyle
July 12, 2010

Chas Jay said:

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I have one more point of contention. I keep hearing how the church is blocking them from using their gifts. The church does no such thing. The gifts one has been given are freely used without ever having to step behind a pulpit or be given a title or any recognition. It is such a comical argument to say the church isn't allowing you to use your gifts because they won't ordain you because of a lifestyle you choose to live. This highlights that what the Michael Adee's and Jane Spahrs are truly seeking is a title and admonish so they can be puffed up with even more pride because they think of themselves as being so righteous and wonderful yet they fail to understand the meaning of the titles they so seek. The Adee's and the Spahrs are seeking the limelight of being in front of TV cameras and microphones extolling the supposed virtues of themselves while castigating those that disagree with them. They are worse than the Pharisees that Jesus encountered.
July 12, 2010

Chas Jay said:

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Blake, there is no comparison between the treatment of women and blacks to the LGBT. LGBT is behavioral while people are actually black and female. Having the desire to have sex with someone of the same sex and acting out upon it is not the same. I tire of that comparison. Oh, and if you haven't figured out, I lived the gay lifestyle for many years. I was not being obedient to God's commandments and I had decide not to follow Him. Stop blaming others for the choices you make.
If you continue to compare LGBT to women and blacks then don't complain when people compare gays to child molesters. Child molesters are the most hated people so why in the world would anyone choose to be one? You easily substitute the first words out with gay and that is what LGBT's have used as a defense for many years.
If you and your friends want to talk about us living in different times, then you probably haven't actually studied history to know what the Roman Empire was like.
All I have seen is disobedience from the MLP's, TAMFS and other groups as I pointed out in earlier postings. They are free to start their own denomination or go to the Metropolitan Community Church or the Episcopal Church. When I read their websites I kept seeing the sin of bearing false witness regarding the church by calling those that do not agree with them horrible names. All the other sins that the MLP's, TAMFS and their friends have displayed is what opened my eyes. I saw the fruits that they bore compared to the fruits that the accused of the MLP's. The accused were always kind, loving and welcoming to me. The MLP's fruit is toxic and divisive. People who love you have the courage to tell you that what you are doing is wrong.
The people who always loved me wanted me to stop treating myself as a second class citizen because Christ went to the cross, died and rose again so I may be a prince in His Kingdom. It cost so much to give us salvation so being chaste in singleness seems like a rather small price to pay for what God gave up for us.
July 12, 2010

blake spencer said:

Gatesville, Texas
The current story in our church is not a game in any form or fashion.

It is a spiritual wrestling. We are wrestling for the very lives of precious people who have long been ignored. We've wrestled like this before all the while holding the Bible held up high. African Americans and Women in another time and era were once defined as second class children of God.

But this is different this time many write, speak and sometimes yell. With the Bible tightly held up high the church officially defines God's LGBT children as second class children of God....Samaritans of our time.

We have deeply gifted and faithful theologians who have done our exegetical homework to shed light on what the Bible says and doesn't say. Several of these GFT's (Gifted/Faithful Theologians) come from the "Evangelical" side of our family.

The Bible tells the story of a spiritual wrestling. Jacob wrestled until a blessing was offered. The Bible tells our story then and now.
July 12, 2010

Chas Jay said:

Burbank, CA
Kyle, thank you for your message. I feel for you and your group but I keep seeing disobedience by your group, such as what Soul Force did on Friday. To me, this is like playing a football game (I like football so I use it in my analysis). The rules are you must stay within the marked boundaries. The More Lights and other groups don't like playing within those boundaries and are complaining about them even though the boundaries are clearly marked. Those are the rules. If you don't like them, no one is forcing you to stay. You are not being oppressed and if you were, you would not be allowed to dissent as you have. No one is stopping you or the MLP's from starting your own denomination. What I do see is force being used by some to change the rules and when I think of the use of force, I think of rape.
I took away from this week that those that want to change the standards do so because they are solely Presbyterian. Many of our churches are leaving because they are tired of this being forced every two years and we keep voting it down. They leave, as many more will now, because being Presbyterian is the name of the denomination, but what they are is a follower of Christ. I already see force being used against those that want to leave by not allowing them to keep their property. I don't see the fruits of the Holy Spirit coming from those promoting changing the standards.
July 12, 2010

Stuart Gordon said:

Nashville, TN
Kyle:

Thanks for your response. I think offline conversation would be more productive. It's hard to carry on this conversation adequately through the volleys of reader response. Let's discuss those exegetical and theological issues about gay relationships, which are prior to the question of ordination.
July 12, 2010

Jim Dove said:

Bluffton, SC
I am truly troubled! As I read what has been removed from the proposed ordination standards and see what remains, I am reminded of the story of the fox guarding the hen house. To me the new standard basically opens the door for the denomination to have standards that are not definable, consistent or measurable. This opens Pandora's box wider and causes members to question who they are and what they believe.
It seems to me that we need to take a stand as a denomination and either endorse behavior such as infidelity and or sodomy among our pastors or continue to make them grounds for denying ordination and service in the UPC. Removing these criteria only license abuse by governing bodies with the old wink and a nod technique.
Who among you can fairly determine my ability, my gifts, my calling, my commitment, or even my or suitability to serve God as an ordained minister? Who can tell if I have submitted joyfully to the Lord? That’s about all that is left to determine the suitability to serve as an ordained minister in the proposed standards outside of the required education and degree!
These are all subjective and while one body determines a person is unsuitable because of infidelity or homosexual behavior another group decides it is acceptable in the UPC. We already know that different people believe the scriptures differently. This is truly a smokescreen aimed at dividing the denomination further.
July 11, 2010

Frank Frieberg said:

Bellevue, Iowa
I guess I'm still confused, (I'm a reluctant member of the John Knox Presbytery). Why bother voting on the ordination standards? I thought we were free to do as we choose, regardless of the standards. It's not as if our presbytery will be disbanded, censured, punished or even mildly rebuked by the PCUSA. This isn't the civil war. The PCUSA has no Lincolnesque leadership quoting Matthew, .." a house divided against itself will not stand." Instead we fade in obscurity, our numbers dwindle daily.
July 11, 2010

Kyle Walker said:

Bryan, TX
Chas,

It grieves me to know you had those feelings around people with those organizations.

Please accept my sincere apology for any way in which I have contributed to that. I will remember your words here when I see anyone who is part of your organization and shares your view on this matter.

You are most welcome if you are ever in my area. I hope you know that.

Kyle
July 11, 2010

Chas Jay said:

Burbank, CA
This week was an eye opening experience to how very lost the PCUSA General Assembly is. Some of the opinions on here highlight the very sad ignorance. God dancing? No, God is weeping. As I stood by an escalator to help give directions to those seeking the One by One lunch, I was on the receiving end of visceral hatred. Those that wore rainbow scarves would give me ugly stares or look down so as not to see me. They hugged the wall as far away from me so they could not make contact with me. Yes, the sin that many of them state was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was the very sin prominently displayed when they wouldn't even acknowledge my presence. They were inhospitable, especially the older ones. What crime was I guilty of? Only stating that the gay lifestyle was not one in accordance with the Scripture and one I have wrestled with. Scarves were worn only to show their divisiveness and flaunt their arrogance of those of us that disagreed. Michael Adee proudly stated many times that he is an ordained elder and openly gay man. That is in direct disobedience to our current and historical standards that are based upon the Scripture. He and his friends celebrate their disobedience and do so with sinful pride. Oh, the sadness of such arrogant sin. It was the disobedience of Adam and Eve taking a piece of fruit that God had forbidden that separated us from Him. Such sin that the Scarf wearers would state is "not fair" or "inclusive" to keep us apart from God. How dare such arrogance question the Maker of the Universe? Jesus says "If you love me, obey my commandments." The scripture also says that slaves are to be obedient to their masters. So sad that this "New Theology" that the More Lights, TAMFS, Voices of Sophia and their host of friends is one of disobedience. The disobedience by them is celebrated and those that lead in this disobedience are hoisted up like pagan gods and called "enlightened."
No, God does not dance at such disobedience. I pray that God will have mercy on the PCUSA for such sin.
July 11, 2010

blake spencer said:

gatesville, texas
God is happy, laughing, filled with joy every time we love our neighbor as our self! God is singing and dancing and shouting AMEN every time we respond as the good neighbor!
July 10, 2010

Glen Hallead said:

Wellsboro, PA
The remnant, those who held high the banner of Christ in this vote are to be applauded, commended, and encouraged. Success is not what we are called to. Faithfulness is. God's Light, Jesus Christ, is sufficient. "More light" will only blind us to the truth. Let's get busy with things that are actually important and leave the hedonists to their naval gazing antics.
July 10, 2010

Jim Dove said:

Bluffton, SC
Like most Christians, I wish the world was a perfect place. Utopia is in the next life for those of us that follow God’s directions. Let’s not confuse what we want with what God wants. I follow what I believe God, His Son, Jesus and the Holy Spirit directs through the Bible, my pastor, or through prayer or perhaps through my nagging conscience. I try to listen when I pray for that is when He is closest.

When my church decides an issue, it sometimes goes against my personal beliefs. I may not like the decision, but it doesn’t drive me from worshiping in my church. Sometimes, however, I am most discouraged when I hear other dedicated Christians from other churches ask me what’s going on in my denomination. Sometimes, I really am not able to answer appropriately because I really don’t understand myself.

Life’s not fair. It has never been fair. Some are born rich Americans some destitute Mexicans, some mentally brilliant, others dim, some to praying Christian families, some to terrorist Muslim parents, and some are born beautiful while others are ugly. Many of us are not suited to be rocket scientists or medical doctors and some of us are not able to be roofers or olympians. As has been pointed out, some of us are even from the South, the area of the country with by far the most members in the Presbyterian Church USA. Most of us used to live in the Northeast and Midwest though.

Being a pastor takes a special person. Most Christians just are not suited to take on God’s most important career. It’s just not fair, but its true! Character flaws among our pastors has already caused incredible heartache in the church community and I fear we are asking for more sorrow and division in our already fractured mainline denomination. Already we are nearly setting the record for lost members and attendees as the UPC-USA has declined significantly for decades. God works in strange ways!

I need to understand how these General Assembly decisions are going to keep the lights burning and win more for Christ. We may feel better today, the gays and lesbians may be rejoicing, the illegal immigrants may feel rewarded for violating America’s laws, but please tell me how does God feel today? Is he smiling down on us?
July 10, 2010

Kyle Walker said:

Bryan, TX
Stuart,

I respect you Stuart even if you differ from me and will dialogue with anyone. I simply come to this conclusion at this point and stand in this place of discerned conscience. I hope you can respect that as well.

You are right, this is a blog so my musings are my own and are in no way intended to attack anyone or any side. I just wanted to see more substance on the one side. If scripture was quoted on the one side, I missed it. If spiritual discernment was called upon from the same, I missed it. Perhaps that's my problem but the arguments were not compelling to me and I was truly a listener to them. The arguments seemed based in institutional preservation and were almost exclusively "what will they think?". That is a weak argument in any debate, especially one concerning ordination.

As to my position since you asked, I find a very weak exegetical case for excluding those from ordination who are born gay and have chosen to live in monogamous, committed same gender relationship that were it not for civil prohibitions otherwise, would be lived in marriage. We can hardly exegete passages prohibiting women in leadership the way we do and use a different exegetical method when it comes to gay ordination. Just my opinion.

In terms of the theology of our sexual conduct, I find it hypocritical if we delve into the same gender sexual behavior and do not cross examine heterosexual sex in the same ways. Granted, I don't want to be in anyone's bedroom but if we are going to jump into one ordained person's bedroom we had better be prepared to jump into them all.

It is the result of my careful study of scripture, prayerful discernment, and experience dealing with young people who wish to end their life rather than to be gay have convinced me that our church has been on the wrong side of this issue and that the urgency of this means life and death for many. I really wish those who differ from me would be present in the places I have to be where young people only hear a church that says they should make a choice that is as impossible as changing the color of their skin and leaves them, for the most part, to "pray it away." Surely we ALL have a responsibility to do more than we do no matter our perspective and that is a collective sin we all share as a denomination.

If you'd like to continue this conversation offline, I have no problem with further clarifying my position there.
July 09, 2010

Stuart Gordon said:

Nashville, TN
Dear Kyle:

Please do not make the mistake of ad hominem arguments. Your observations of the comments of commissioners at G.A. do not constitute a substantive engagement of the issue. Granted, this is a blog, not a journal, but I for one am weary of being painted, because I oppose this perennial amendment, with the broad brush of "fear." I serve in a very lively, growing, happily Reformed congregation. I support the church's policy which some seek to change. If you want the change, please make a case for it. I am more than happy to engage you in open, honest debate.

As I said earlier, I wish we had received from GA the marriage amendments instead. It seems to me that the ordination debate distracts us from the substantive issues involved. I'm sure that there is nothing insidious about that, but it's frustrating that we say nothing about theological anthropology, nothing about being made in the image of God, nothing about being male and female; we're left yelling at one another about "justice" versus "the Bible."
July 09, 2010

Kyle Walker said:

Bryan, TX
The thing that bothered me about the tenor of debate was that one side kept speaking to institutional preservation and fears of decline. Those are just not spiritual arguments. Jesus calls us not to listen to voices of fear. I appreciated that the light of honest debate overcame the darkness of fear. I pray that is always the case the no matter the issue, no matter the side or position.
July 09, 2010

Lee Kinney said:

Washington, North Carolina
Wow! Did I read Mr. Clark's response to this article correctly? We "Bible thumpers" need an exit clause? It never ceases to amaze that those in the PCUSA who wish to rewrite scripture, knock over historic doctrines, invent new so-called progressive theologies and authorize new moral standards want the rest of us to get out. How presumptuous is that? Ever since this battle began so many years ago, I have often wondered why those who so dislike the traditional, orthodox theology and worldview wouldn't want to start their own church. Then I figured it out. Mr. Clark and his ilk do not leave because they prefer to steal the pulpits and sanctuaries of those who gave their tithes and offered their gifts in gratitude to the Triune God of the Bible. So to Mr. Clark and all who believe we ought to go, I would hasten to remind that we and our type do not seek to foist upon the unsuspecting some novel theology but simply promote the historic Reformed faith from which our local churches were born and shaped.
July 09, 2010

Stuart Gordon said:

Nashville, TN
In the coming months, let's all try to keep a good humor about ourselves, and resist perpetuating a spat we've been carrying on as long as we can remember. The fact is that there are complex biblical and theological issues that remain unresolved among us, and it does no one any good to presume that our opponents are either stupid or faithless (or both). I am opposed to this amendment, and not because I'm homophobic or mean or southern or ignorant. I am opposed because of sincere, informed, humbly-held convictions. I actually wish the GA had sent us the marriage amendments instead, so that we could debate the real issue, rather than bypassing it by discussing ordination yet again. But regardless of how much I disagree with what General Assemblies do, I will not become cynical or angry or discouraged. Jesus is the Truth, and I ain't afraid of the truth.
July 09, 2010

blake spencer said:

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The Bible teaches us what a good neighbor is in the parable of The Good Samaritan. The good neighbor stops and does what is necessary despite the opinions of the surrounding culture. The good neighbor stops and does what is right to do....despite the threats and insults from other neighbors.

Like a good neighbor the 219th GA acted to do what is necessary and right.

Who is the good neighbor Jesus asks then and now....
Is the good neighbor the one who walks on by saying, "They deserve what they get because they are sinners"?

Is the good neighbor the one who walks on by saying, "If you keep bringing up this up I will leave the church"?

The good neighbor is the one who stops and acts despite what the world says...despite threats and insults from other neighbors.

The definition of a good neighbor is Biblical
Jesus said it. Jesus lived it.
July 09, 2010

dan clark said:

warminster, pa
This vote is an encouraging signal the church as a whole is ready to genuinely be inclusive and look to the character and commitment of individuals, not their sexual orientation, to make their decision on fitness of persons for ordination. As to the reaction of the southern churches, let them respond. I believe, being a southern myself, the only reason we have delayed on this matter is becasue of the influence of the old US church brought on with reunion. However, I think the old "states rights" issue of ordination by presbyeries would suit them very well. Besides, a presbytery, under this proposed arrangement, doesn't have to ordain or receive anyone that does not fit the theological understanding shared by individual presbyteries. The "Bible thumpers" have at least been consistent in their attempt to impose one understanding of Biblical interpretation on the whole denomination and Christendom. Perhaps it is time to provide another "leaving clause" like the church offered at reunion for those southerners who would not ordain women.
July 09, 2010

Joe Beggs said:

Atco, New Jersey
It saddens me that once again I need to go to the pews and explain that the leadership of the church is unwilling to maintain clear scriptural standards for her officers. I only wonder what will be next. Should an alcoholic be ordained, as a church officer, someone that blatantly condones adultery? or indiscriminate sexual practices, how about pedophilia. Do they even truly have to refer to the Bible as a standard for their beliefs and life practices. where will this end?
July 09, 2010

J. Ben Sloan said:

Chapin, SC
We refuse to listen to the clear and simple reading of scripture; and we refuse to listen to the millions who have left by continuing to bang our head against this wall. We are like people who believe we can continue to ask God if we can break a commandment thinking, that the more we ask the more right we have on our side. We are like a people who are floating down the current refusing to turn around and paddle- even though we see and hear the waterfall that is sucking us down.
July 09, 2010

Ben Sloan said:

Chapin, South Carolina
We have lost half our members because of actions of the general assemblies that seek to change the majority opinion by continuing to ask. If God gives us a commandment, do we continue to ask if we can break it, until God gives in? Why do we refuse to listen to scripture, and refuse to listen to the millions who have left? We are like the people who refuse to turn around and paddle the other direction when we are being drawn toward the huge waterfall.
July 09, 2010

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