| Mid-Councils Commission calls for non-geographic presbyteries, movable affiliations |
| Written by Leslie Scanlon, Outlook national reporter | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Thursday, 02 February 2012 23:00 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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DALLAS – The General Assembly Mid-Councils Commission has voted 15-5 to permit non-geographic, “provisional presbyteries” as part of a “designated season of reflective experimentation” in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.). That recommendation to change the denomination’s Book of Order will go to the 2012 General Assembly for approval, and would also need approval from a majority of the denomination’s 173 presbyteries. It calls for the season of experimentation to expire in 2021, unless a General Assembly acts to change that. Before the vote, one commission member described this as an attempt by a deeply divided PC(USA) to hit the reset button, to take a chance on something new and hope it will lead to healing and innovative work in mission. The recommendation also comes at a time when some evangelicals are thinking hard about whether they want to remain in the PC(USA), following the denomination’s vote last year to permit the ordination of sexually active gays and lesbians. Some have left for the Evangelical Presbyterian Church, and in January the Fellowship of Presbyterians created a new denomination, the Evangelical Covenant Order of Presbyterians, to which some evangelical congregations already are planning to move. The Fellowship also has been discussing ways that evangelicals can remain in the PC(USA) but “differentiate” themselves, by finding ways to work together in mission and to act in conscience on the issue of ordination standards. One way of doing that, Fellowship leaders have said, might be to join together in a non-geographic presbytery. The proposal from the Mid-Councils Commission would allow the creation of provisional, non-geographic presbyteries “for particular missional purposes,” when requested to do so by at least 10 congregations and 10 teaching elders, and with the concurrence of the existing presbyteries (those to which the affected congregations already belong). “The petition (to create a provisional presbytery) shall include a plan outlining the missional purposes of the proposed presbytery and continuing covenant relationships with existing presbyteries,” the recommendation states. The commission also adopted a recommendation to allow presbyteries to dismiss congregations, with the approval of all the affected councils, to temporarily join another presbytery, either a provisional one or an existing one, within certain parameters. The congregation would be temporarily dismissed to another presbytery within the synod, or to another geographically contiguous synod, although “the congregation shall continue to affiliate with the presbytery of origin for the purpose of mutual blessing,” the recommendation states. Per capita or mission funds from that congregation could be divided according to a covenant between the presbytery of membership and the presbytery of origin. The provisional presbyteries would have all the rights and powers of other presbyteries, except they could not conduct transactions involving property or dismiss congregations to other denominations without the consent of the presbytery of origin. The 2016 General Assembly would be asked to design and make provisions for an evaluation of the season of experimentation. Before they voted, commission members voiced both hope and hesitation. “This proposal has a deadline that gives me comfort,” said Barbara Ranta, a ruling elder from Seattle Presbytery. “So much in the church doesn’t seem to be working right now, because people don’t want to work together.” This gives a chance, she said, for people who are “desperately exhausted with the battles to shake off the dust and move on to a new thing.” Sam Roberson, general presbyter of the Presbytery of Charlotte, spoke in favor of the proposal – saying it gives the PC(USA) an opportunity to move forward in a significant way. “I implore you not to get icy feet,” Roberson said. He also said he does not believe Presbyterians will form non-geographic presbyteries “exclusively” for reasons related to ordination standards – but might group themselves according to shared mission emphases, such as urban or rural congregations clustering together. John Vest, a teaching elder from Chicago, said the only thing the PC(USA) would be giving up by approving this would be “forced diversity based on arbitrary geography.” Other commission members, however, lamented the price a connectional church might pay if Presbyterians affiliate only with those with whom they agree on controversial matters. With this approach, “I self-select my congregation by driving past all those congregations with which I don’t agree,” then selecting a presbytery, too, said Terry Newland, synod executive of the Synod of Living Waters. “I don’t see the difference between that and congregational polity . . . I can select who I hang out with and whose accountability I will respect.” This is not the first time the commission has considered this issue. In October, it voted 11-8 not to recommend that the General Assembly change the PC(USA) constitution to allow non-geographic presbyteries. Warren Cooper, a ruling elder from Philadelphia, voted against the idea of non-geographic presbyteries in October – and for the recommendation at this meeting. Cooper acknowledged that he had described himself last fall as being “categorically against the concept," and he added, "that has not changed.” But Cooper said his sense of the possibilities has shifted: He now sees an opportunity he doesn’t want to let slide by. If 10 congregations have to agree to do mission together in order to form a provisional, non-geographic presbytery, then “the activity of the mission they choose is more productive than whatever they would do if they stay” in their existing presbyteries, Cooper said. “The intention is not to give people a secret loophole to do what they want to do because they don’t want to be around certain people.” Cooper said he wants to “open up the closed hand that was a fist, and do something productive with it.” Tod Bolsinger, a teaching elder from California and the commission’s moderator, said the recommendation gives congregations permission “to dream and create stuff” if they form a provisional presbytery with a distinct purpose for mission. The recommendation gives those wanting to form non-geographic presbyteries a window of six or seven years to show the advantages for mission such flexibility would provide, said Vest, the pastor from Chicago. He said of those seeking such flexibility: “You’ve got until Dec. 31, 2021, to prove it works better.”
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p.w. gregory
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lambertville nj You need to ask the right questions Many organizations fail simply because they fail to ask the right questions. The governing stucture of the PCUSA in the wake of the ordination change and n Fog asked itself. "how can we impliment these changes?" or "why are they so mad at us?" or how do we maintain institutional unity?" Wrong questions because they lead to false conclusions and assumptions. The far better question should have been,"how can we facilitate healing and reconciliaiton as best as possible given the deep and intractable theological and cultural rift in the church?". Rather than questions of church process or organizatinal survival for suvrival sake alone. A good example is the matter of Abortion. Next year will mark 40 years since Row v Wade and the topic and practice is just as polorizing and divisive in the culture and church as it has ever been, with no consensus or settlement of the matter in sight. But the church did not fracture or split on the matter of abortion per se, nor because of PCUSA policy in the Board of Pensions per se, Because there was a process where people of conscious and opinion can elect another choice with the health care plan. Will NGP or other means of associaiton in the PCUSA be the cure-all to a universe of problems, or maintain a religious denomination in a deconstructive and congregational age? Who knows, but the questions needs proper consideration. |
Gerald Larson
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... I am appalled by this proposal--disjointed, confused, intellectually vacuous and clearly schismatic, posing as a proposal for a "designated season for reflective experimentation." Some of our "evangelical" churches, both in terms of polity and theology, are clearly moving outside the boundaries of our historic reformed heritage. The time has surely come to wish them well as they leave to form new churches and denominations. |
Scott Lumsden
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Seattle, WA I too appreciate the MCCs work as a whole, especially in this climate of congregational chaos. However it's too early for me to say anything intelligent about NGPs until the polity is before us. The way these relationships are characterized will be important. I do however wonder what it means to align for "mission". Are different "missions" possible under the gospel? Are there options I'm not aware of, or are some parts of Christ's mission elective and some mandatory? Or does "mission" mean certain mission projects or programs? I fear that "mission" really means "difference" and the "difference" is still about ordination standards and the polarity over sexual ethics in the Christian community. If I'm right on that, then I don't think it's going to matter a whole lot what we do with presbyteries, because until we have the courage to deal with the real issue, we'll continue to talk around each other like it seems we're doing now. |
Troy S. Braswell
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Circleville, OH On the one hand, I commend any use of creativity in pondering the direction and future of not only the PCUSA, but the Church in general. We need new ideas, but more than that we need a new way to BE the Church, and stop fussing over how we ought to DO church. (Note: all use of capitals & lowercase purely intentional) But then on the other hand, I recognize that this idea represents a response to the request (and in some cases demand) of conservative churches and organizations for non-geographic presbyteries. If formed around a common mission, then this may well be a wave of the future. But, if formed around common theological perspective, it will only accelerate the abandonment of our denomination by our conservative churches and leave us with a considerably smaller, and much more liberal denomination. Here's why. It may seem like a good idea right now to conservatives to "differentiate", but consider the impact on all future GA overtures. If conservatives flock to non-geographic presbyteries then they will consolidate and therefore increase their voice. But, the presbyteries from which they originate, will become more liberal in both voice and vote. The result being that many presbyteries which have been more moderate, will become more liberal. Those votes that may have gone either way will suddenly go only one. They will no longer have balance. Obviously liberal presbyteries will be largely unaffected and will continue to vote the same. And then there will be those few very conservative non-geographical presbyteries with their consolidated voice, helpless except to watch and shout as they are routinely outvoted by the large number of liberal presbyteries that have been created or supplemented by the conservative void they have left behind. Am I really the only one who recognizes this eventual end? Knowing that groups within our ranks are already working toward a marriage equality amendment, how long do you really think this idea will last? Again I will say, this only applies if we differentiate based on theological perspective. But given the impetus for the creation of these non-geographic presbyteries, I find it hard to envision any other actual motivation or any other end. |
Jan Armstrong
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santa Barbara, CA What a creative approach for the middle ground. Diversity and Unity both win, when there is a common vision and mission. nFog was about creating experiments to revitalize the church, and this move has the potential to stem the bleed off of congregations to other denominations, and allow for creative alignments around mission and spiritual practices. Also some presbyteries nationwide are looking at the possibility of going below the minimum congregations needed to be a presbytery, this gives creative freedom to solve this in a mission renewing manner. Thanks for your experiment, bless you for giving the PCUSA better choices for the future. |
Steve Yamaguchi
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Long Beach, CA I agree with Charlie Campbell that this is not about schism. (It’s not necessarily, but it could be – see below.) It can be about alignment around mission. For example, the Reformed Church in America has a City Classis (their analog to our presbytery) for urban congregations from Paramount to Chicago to Philadelphia. [www.cityclassis.org] They did not declare the RCA apostate, but they allied with and committed to each other because of how much they shared in the particular challenges of their particular urban missions. Other alliances could form for us. The Korean language presbytery (Hanmi) in Southern California was intended to allow for this, but we, their So Cal neighbors, did not provide adequate collegiality and support, and the result was misunderstanding, alienation, and weak relationships. It was a bold experiment that we didn't handle well. So shall we learn from experiments and keep imagining, or shall we close the door on experimentation and say with misplaced confidence, "not again, not on my watch"? My confidence is in the Holy Spirit's mysterious ways, not in restrictions to rein in the experimenters pushing the edge. The Commission's recommendation will allow experiments. There will still be discipline to it. It is not for anyone to do what is right in their own eyes; it is not for anyone to form their own little club so they don't have to play with anyone else. This is not proposing congregational polity. Congregational says I'm not required to be accountable to anyone. This polity says I DO want to be accountable to a presbytery, but one that makes sense because of mission. Surely some could be tempted to use this opportunity to behave badly, to be exclusivist and separatist. Some could use this as a front for schism. That effort could happen. It will be our collective responsibility to exercise judgment and leadership to mitigate bad behavior. We should call schism schism. But to to deny the opportunity for potentially fruitful experimentation for mission just because some people might try to abuse the opportunity - THAT is the kind of traditionalist, regulatory instinct that strangles our mid-councils and GA (and makes our brightest creative young leaders CRAZY exasperated – and drives them away). I applaud the commission for their courage to encourage us all to experiment and imagine new ways of being in mission together. If EVER there was a time when we need encouragement to experiment within some parameters of discipline, it is NOW. My worst fear for the commission was that they might have had no effect for lack of imagination. I am so encouraged and thankful for their modeling our vows for us as they seek to serve the people with energy, intelligence, imagination, and love. Good work, Mid-Council Commission! I thank God for you and thank you for your hard, hard work. Energy, intelligence, imagination, and love, indeed! |
Strother Gross
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Wichita, KS What an interesting and creative approach to the impasse within our denomination. |
Jim Caprell
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Simpsonville, SC re: affiliating with another presbytery: Why is this limited to presbyteries within synods or contiguous synods? That gives an advantage to presbyteries in the mid-US that coastal presbyteries may not have. re: NGPs: Does this mean that we increase the number of presbyteries in the denomination by whatever number of NGPs are created? Will they be included in denominational votes? Does my congregation, should we desire to join a NGP, vote with our presbytery of origin, or the NGP on amendments to the Constitution? Who will fund these NGPs? Who will staff these NGPs? Alas, (big sigh) I fear that we have stuck our heads in the sand, again. Lord have mercy. |
Charles Campbell
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San Clemente, CA I disagree with Neal Lloyd's comment. Exploring whether defining "presbytery" differently will enable churches NOT to resort to leaving the PCUSA hardly constitutes schism; rather, entertaining this question evidences a resolve to avoid schism. If seeking to amend the Book of Order for the sake of convictions and conscience leaves one open to accusations of being schismatic, then every thinking person in the denomination is vulnerable to that charge. |
Pinky Bender
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Charlotte, NC How is this proposal for non-geographic presbyteries any different from what the Korean Presbyterians have had for years? |
p.w. gregory
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lambertville, nj I have lunch with local clergy collegues at times, and in general we tend to be more theologically conservative in a very, very liberal presbytery. I asked them right after the ordination mess, "What can you do not do now, that changing denominations, or even presbyteries, will enable you to do", or another way how does being in presbyerty X or denomination Y inhibit your mission, church, or what it seeks to do? The responses were mixed but pretty much we all came to the conclusion that you can put whatever sign-post out front of the church, and whatever denominational affiliation it is on the stationary. People in the pews really do not care, have very little time or interest in denominational ideological battles, and live their lives and run their churches as if the PCUSA, and it governing stuctures did not exist. So why change? And if change is important why now, and why to this ECO/EPC, whatever? For clergy I think once you get beyond the Board of Pensions, health care, and other personal matters, it does come down to "relationships", fellowships, sense of connectionalism to other professional collegues, or lack of it, where you happen to find yourself. Will the option of non-geographic, more a loose affiliaiton, connectionalism to the mother church change that? Maybe yes, maybe no. I may one day be able to affiliate in some form with say a Beaver-Butler, where I came from, and have much more in common than western NJ, but if even so, it still does not solve the issue of whome one chooses to have theological/professional relationships or affiliatons with. Nor does it solve the issue of making your church work and function, regardless of where the clergy affiliates. Those are matters beyond church polity and beyond administative/institutional changes. This is not an issue of gay ordination, nFOG. or how the PCUSA thinks and feels about Israel or how much they love Castro. It really is about what the PCUSA chooses and wants to be, especially on the Presbytery level. If it still assumes a mid-20th century mode of being, a regulatory, ajudicative, top-down management organization which coordinated most if not all external functions of the local church, that train has left the station and is not comming back. Move on. Be it right/left/liberal/conservative I think we all want redefine just who we are, and what we wish to be in terms of relationships. And in our Ipod, Face Book world, relationships be they personal, theological, confessional, professional is not limited to how far one could travel on horseback in 1755. And in matters of theology and churchy matters, yes confessions matter, actions matter, Biblical interpretation matters, how one looks at God/Jesus Christ matters. And yes property held in trust matters. Will the "reset button" as proposed help? Given our theological blood-letting for over 50 years, it sure can be a matter of serious discussion and consideration. |
Neal Lloyd
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Cambria,Wisconsin No reason to be subtle about it. Schism is schism. Leaving is leaving. There may be reasons to abandon the Constitutional definition that a presbytery consists of the congregations within a geographical district and the Teaching Elders who hold membership in it; but unresolved theological differences is not among them. |














