Commission: ‘No’ to synods. ‘Maybe’ to non-geographic presbyteries
Written by Leslie Scanlon, Outlook national reporter   
Saturday, 08 October 2011 21:30
– The General Assembly Middle Governing Bodies Commission has voted not to recommend that the General Assembly change the constitution of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) to allow non-geographic presbyteries.

            The Oct. 8 vote against that recommendation was 11-8 – but the commission immediately began discussing ways to include non-geographic presbyteries among other possibilities it might present for the church to consider. Other ideas that group might put forth could include creating covenant communities, or missional orders, or some form of more porous boundaries between presbyteries.

            “I am very much against the principle of the idea” of non-geographic presbyteries, said Warren Cooper, a ruling elder from Philadelphia Presbytery. “Yet I am very cognizant that it has a place among other ideas,” suggesting that the commission give the General Assembly arguments for and against the concept. “Where I am personally against it, I think it would be irresponsible for us as a commission not to put it forward,” Cooper said.

            The task force did vote, however, to recommend significant changes in the role of synods – asking the General Assembly to discontinue the role of synods as councils and to create five regional administrative commissions to take over ecclesiastical tasks.

            Any constitutional changes would have to be approved by the General Assembly and by a majority of the denomination’s 173 presbyteries. And the commission won’t actually approve its final report until its next meeting – scheduled for Feb. 2-4 in Dallas – which means it could still make changes then.

            Non-geographic presbyteries. The commission’s debate over non-geographic presbyteries – currently a very hot topic in the PC(USA) – reflected both pragmatic concerns and cornerstone beliefs.

 Evangelicals who contend the PC(USA) made a mistake in passing Amendment 10-A, which removed from the denomination’s constitution language requiring those being ordained to practice fidelity if they are married or chastity if they are single, have said that non-geographic presbyteries could give some people a way to stay in the denomination without violating their consciences.

David Seungil Rue, a ruling elder from California, said if the PC(USA) doesn’t listen to evangelicals and make some arrangements, “we are going to lose them.”

James Harper, a teaching elder from Atlanta, said some evangelicals will see non-geographic presbyteries as “a theological compromise” in which they have no interest. But others want to stay in the PC(USA), “to be able to thrive in mission and ministry together without the politics,” Harper said.

He asked the commission not to “doubt the intentions of people who are saying `Give me a way to stay’ by saying what we really mean is we want to leave,” adding that sometimes “we use `conservative evangelical’ something like a swear word.”

 Harper said evangelicals like him are asking this question: “Can I stay in this denomination with integrity and relief of conscience?”

Others asked whether forming presbyteries with only like-minded people actually violates foundational Presbyterian principles, and amounts to a temporary fix.

“It’s a compromise – that’s not what we need,” said Miriam Dolin, a ruling elder from San Francisco Presbytery. “That’s not creative, that’s not out-of-the-box” thinking, and “it’s going to change us forever as a denomination . . . We are not called to live with people who only think like us.”

José Olagues, a teaching elder from Grand Canyon Presbytery, said that “I want to be at the table with all of my brothers and sisters, all the children of God. Yet I’m being told that my form of Christianity is not as good as that of another member. I need my sisters and brothers who disagree with me at the table. Yet if they don’t want me, I don’t know what to do. I wrestle with it.”

Terry Newland, executive of the Synod of Living Waters, said that “for me, it’s not about forbearance or tolerance or enduring together,” but a belief “that God has gifted each one of us with gifts that will help us as a whole and will help me. It’s more a selfish thing . . . When we keep segregated, I am deprived of those spiritual gifts . . . It’s a yearning for more wholeness in my spiritual journey. It’s not about keeping the marriage together.”

Newland also said of the push to divide into like-minded groups: “There’s nothing Presbyterian about that. It’s building a congregationalist church.”

Some on the commission found themselves being pulled in multiple ways.

“Everything inside of me has lived with ecumenism and interfaith and diversity,” said Sam Roberson, general presbyter and stated clerk of Charlotte Presbytery. But he spoke in favor of recommending non-geographic presbyteries to the General Assembly, saying “I think this is a time in our history . . . when I’d like to put this before the church.”

While the commission voted down a recommendation to ask the General Assembly to approve non-geographic presbyteries, it’s also asking the Advisory Committee on the Constitution to provide advice on any constitutional issues or concerns that such a proposal might raise.

Synod restructuring. While the commission members struggled with whether to approve non-geographic presbyteries, support for the idea of changing the role of synods was evident as soon as they began discussing the idea.

            Commission members praised it as a way of flattening the hierarchy of the PC(USA), potentially saving money, and reenergizing mission work at the regional level.

            The commission passed a series of recommendations regarding synods that it plans to include in its final report.

Many of these provisions would require constitutional changes, and the approval of both the Assembly and a majority of the presbyteries. While the commission won’t approve its final report until February, its moderator, Tod Bolsinger, a teaching elder from California, explained that approving recommendations with constitutional implications now would give the Advisory Committee on the Constitution and other interested groups a chance to respond to the recommendations before the report is complete.

 The commission voted to recommend that:

-         Synods be discontinued as councils and their ecclesiastical functions be vested in five regional administrative commissions of the General Assembly.

-         During a transition time, synods – in consultation with their constituent presbyteries – would create and implement a transition plan to transfer assets, funds, projects and programs, including those relating to racial ethnic ministries, to appropriate entities. Those transition plans would be submitted to the 2016 General Assembly for its approval.

-         The authority and intent of the Mid-Councils Commission be vested in these regional commissions “in order to facilitate churches and presbyteries to build partnerships and realign where necessary” to fulfill their missional objectives.

-         Those regional commissions have the power and authority to “enforce the church’s commitment to inclusiveness and representation,” including forming committees on representation.

-         The General Assembly be authorized to create five regional judicial commissions to serve as courts of appeal of decisions of presbytery permanent judicial commissions, and as courts of original jurisdiction in remedial cases against presbyteries, or upon reference from presbytery judicial commissions.

 

While the recommendations don’t state this, one possibility might be that the five regional commissions might be drawn along roughly the same lines as the districts among which the biennial meetings of the General Assembly are rotated.

Commission members voiced a desire that the process move faster. But with the approvals needed from the assembly and then a majority of presbyteries, and then giving time for transition, they acknowledged any changes in the synod structure likely would take at least three to four years to achieve.

 

 

 

           

Your Responses (10)add comment

John C. Van Nuys said:

Crawfordsville, IN
Dear Presbyterian Outlook,

Regarding the proposal to phase out Synods and delegate their tasks to the Office of the General Assembly, I have a bolder idea: Phase out one centralized OGA by deploying all OGA staff to our denomination’s sixteen regional ministry teams, the Synods.

Given the expanding possibilities of the information technology revolution, one physical, geographic center is no longer needed to have effective group cohesion, communication, and collaboration. Deploying OGA staff to the Synods would not only enhance regional ministry efforts, it would expand them. With sixteen well-staffed, enhanced regional ministry teams, our denomination could have sixteen regional laboratories engaged in creating new ways of doing and being church in the 21st century. Creativity and collaboration with congregations could increase while economies of scale would be realized.

Instead of moving connectional ministry further away from congregations, it should be moved closer. True, this is an outside-of-the-box idea, but it is one that would yield many boons.

Respectfully,

Dr. John C. Van Nuys
Wabash Avenue Presbyterian Church
Crawfordsville, IN
November 01, 2011

p.w. gregory said:

lambertville, nj
The key misunderstanding I think in the debate of non-geogrpahic presbyteries is to focus on the "geographic" aspect at the expense of other and far deeper mattters. We would not be having such a debate if the sole issue was physical proximity, or lack of it between church X or Y, or the cost/time/distance of doing business over an area of land/space.

If the rise of social media/info. technology has taught the culture and its old monolithic-industrial institutions anything is that people will make their own community and choose whom they wish to communicate/share/cooperate/and coordinate with. This is true in religious/faith life as it is in any other aspect of one's life. And no one will ask the permission of others to do so.

My church is in cooperation via Facebook, real time video/audio, and other social media with churches in India, Mexico, and other like minded bodies in 8 states we share a common confessional and missonal interests with. We did not seek the permission or approval of the local presbytery, nor was that a factor in the process. We do joint mission work with other churches both in and out of the PCUSA. Again, all made possible by technology. I am sure other churches, PCUSA and others have done the same, and will continue to do so in the future.

I am record saying the concept of non-geographic presbyteries is a worhty concept to consider, but would be rather unstable and fragile in practice. But those who either try to put their fingers in the dykes, or pretend its 1957 and we are all one big happy progressive family, I think are in denial or hold to some utopian ideology that will no longer work.
October 11, 2011

James Babcock said:

Bozeman, Montana
This is indeed good news. I am pleased that the Commission has addressed the matter of Synods as a structural change which is long overdue and will, prayerfully, speak positively to the need for downsizing a presently cumbersom, political and costly hierarchical melange.

I applaud the Commission for a positive, forward thinking action and recommendation.... Jim Babcock, Elder, Bozeman,Montana
October 11, 2011

David McCann said:

Ada, Oklahoma
I have just a few comments, mainly in response to the comments of others. Currently we have non-geographic presbyteries: Dakota, Midwest Hanmi, etc. They function well. Also, I said nearly 20 years ago that denominations, as we currently know them, will cease to exist within the next century. What I see the larger church moving toward in our country is loose associations of churches. All denominations are in decline, but there is a rapid growth in church associations, especially in the house church movement. This move to non-geographic presbyteries could well be the way God is leading the Presbyterian Church to have a presence in the future. Those who claim this is the functional demise of the Presbyterian Church need to consider other possibilities. It is no longer 1957, and will never be 1957 again. We need to position our congregations for effective mission in 2012 and beyond. Finally, one of the main reasons given for nFOG was to allow congregations be more flexible in their mission work. The logical next step would be to allow presbyteries to also be more flexible, which would mean creating presbyteries based on missional focus, and not necessarily geography. The world is changing. Our society is changing. To become effective again, the church needs to change, to adapt to new cultures, so that we can reach out and build relationships with spiritual seekers, sharing the good news of Jesus Christ in relevant and meaningful ways.
October 11, 2011

Dave Lee said:

Nitro, WV
I find it interesting, and maybe instructive, that all of the comments concern non-geographic presbyteries and not the elimination of synods. For myself, I feel a sense of loss and grief at the thought of losing the sense of connection I have with the Synod of the Trinity. I understand that not all experiences have been as positive or fruitful as mine, but that does not lessen the sense of loss.
October 11, 2011

David Duquette said:

Reading, PA
I would be interested to hear how a non-geographic Presbytery would respond to a congregation in crisis. How might it bring in an Administrative Commission? While geography as an organizing principle has its challenges, it also allows a Presbytery to be "present" and "stand with" brothers and sisters in need. I think we are under-valuing the importance of being present with one another as a necessary means toward fulfilling the mission of Jesus Christ; to sacrifice this "one another" aspect does not seem consistent with the NT witness of the life of the early church.
October 10, 2011

p.w. gregory said:

lambertville, nj
As we seem to living in a bi-polarized world of the tea-party of 2010, and the Occupy Wall Street of 2011, so our religious institutions so reflect the stress and fracture of the culture in which it finds itself. The institutional/establishment PCUSA seems to on a path to eventual confrontation with the insurgent fellowship movement as the two polarities jostle for relative position and ground leading up to the 2012 GA.

Non-geographic presbyteries are nothing more or less than an artifical construct, a means if you will, by which those dissaffected, dissatisfied by the progressive drift of the church, are able to remain in some sort of communion with the rest. Like jamming 20 plugs into extension cords in a single outlet, the system will be fragile, prone to blow-out, and power failure. In essence the functional death of the church. Which just may be the case regardless of what happens.

At the end of the day, the only real practical and realistic option will be to allow in a gracious, loving and healthy way, those who desire to leave to do so, and allow those with a common agreement and understanding of misson, faith and life to get on with their collective lives. I would propose a process which I think keeps the faith and trust of all in this process. Honoring the faith and confession of those on all sides of the issues.

A three-year discernment process should be offered to those churches or fellowships that for a variety of reasons state they can no longer remain in the PCUSA. During this three year process those churches who commit to this would pay per-capita and maintain all established presbytery and church relationships and commitments. Nor would these churches make any moves apart for consultation and permission of said presbytery. The presbytery involved would promise to take no definitive actions against the church or elders involved. All relationships will be honored. On the national level the GA would agree not to make or pass any policy, or attempt to make new policy that would effect the status of those church in this process.

If at the end of a 3 year process between the local presbytery and the church, the presbytery and church mutually agree that gracious separation is best for all, those churches are dismissed to their new life, apart from any legal/financial entanglements. And those who wish to remain in the current structure move along their own path.

Sad, yes for some. But we all need to get to a better place, and what we seem to have now, or what both sides talk about will not work.
October 09, 2011

Tod Bolsinger said:

San Clemente, CA
Perhaps the most important detail that was not reported in this otherwise fine and (now with the dates corrected) article is the Commission report will be charging the Synods to work with their constituent presbyteries to develop comprehensive strategies to insure that the valuable mission, programs and projects, as well as assets of each Synod are transitioned into new structural forms for good stewardship, continuation of witnesses and transparent accountability.

In addition, our report will be discussing the crucial role that Synods have played in providing a place of advocacy and support for racial ethnic minorities. We have appointed a task force to work with the Advocacy Committee of Racial Ethnic Concerns, chaired by Ruling Elder Warren Cooper, and another task force, chaired by Ruling Elder David Rue, to work on strategies related to our Korean language-based presbyteries.

More information will be available this week on our MGB Commission blog.

Tod Bolsinger, Teaching Elder, Moderator.
October 09, 2011

Wayne Yost said:

Yatesboro, PA
I have absolutely no idea how a non-geographic presbytery could work. Not only is the mission a central point, but for discipline and accountability relationships are a central point in organizing presbyteries. Individual congregations and presbyteries can already come together on an ad hoc basis in missional networks.
Must ministers and congregations be in the same non-geographic presbytery? How often and under what circumstances can a minister or congregation change non-geographic presbytery alignment? I agree with Newland's comments.
In many ways I sense we have begun to see the deconstruction of the PCUSA. I do not understand the tendency for massive deconstruction.
October 09, 2011

Tom Evans said:

Atlanta GA
Whereas the commission has considered important issues surrounding non-geographic presbyteries I believe there is an important consideration missing. The New Form of Government is meant to reflect a missional polity in which those closest to the mission are given freedom of form to discern how best to organize the work of the church for the sake of the mission of Jesus Christ. By excluding non-geogrpahic presbyteries we are de-facto saying the only way to organize presbytery for the sake of the mission of Jesus Christ is geographically. Such absolutist structure violates the flexible missional polity we have adopted. Perhaps phrasing the question differently might open up our thinking, "How does God call us to gather congregations into Presbyteries for the sake of the mission of Jesus Christ?" I submit that the answer looks different in different times and different places. Furthermore we should give full authority to those closest to this mission context to forge these presbyteries as the Spirit filled creativity and mission of the congregations dictate: namely the Synods! However, if the ecclesiastical functions of the Synods disappear perhaps the power could be vested in the five regional administrative commissions. Our polity rather the dictating "geographic" or "non-geographic" would simply indicate that presbyteries are constituted as the mission and ministry of Jesus Christ dictates in any given context.
October 09, 2011

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