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On the gathering of the Fellowship of Presbyterians: a brief summary
Written by Leslie Scanlon, Outlook national reporter   
Monday, 29 August 2011 16:46

          On Aug. 25-26, about 1,900 people came to Minneapolis to learn more about what the Fellowship of Presbyterians is proposing, and to help sort through their own decisions about whether to stay in the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) or to leave.john crosby_and_6


          Those attending included pastors and elders, as well as some presbytery and synod executives and national leaders of the denomination. While no details were released on demographic factors such as age, race, and gender, the crowd included people from all 50 states and 3 countries beyond the U.S., and appeared to be predominantly white and male. The list of speakers was somewhat more diverse.

          This was a meeting primarily for discussion of ideas – not for voting on a particular course of action. Here are some of the highlights:


Constitutional convention. The Fellowship will hold a “constitutional convention” in Orlando, Fla., on Jan. 12-14. At that meeting, the Fellowship intends to create a new Reformed body into which congregations could be dismissed from the PC(USA) and to propose overtures to the 2012 General Assembly.


Four tiers. The Fellowship is proposing four tiers of action for individual congregations to consider.

- Tier 1: Stay in the PC(USA), in the current presbytery. This is for congregations that don’t want to leave (perhaps because they are in a congenial evangelical presbytery), or feel they can’t leave, perhaps because the congregation is too divided.

- Tier 2: Create evangelical presbyteries or synods, which would overlap with existing presbyteries and synods, and would invite like-minded Presbyterians in a region to exercise oversight responsibilities for those congregations wishing to differentiate from their present presbyteries.

- Tier 3: Create a presbytery within a presbytery – with perhaps two committees on ministry, each applying distinct ordination standards, the one following the new language in the PC(USA)’s constitution calling for “joyful submission to Jesus Christ” and the other holding to the “fidelity in marriage, chastity in singleness” language removed from the denomination’s constitution in July.Tier 4: Join a new Reformed body the Fellowship will create.

New Reformed body. The Fellowship already has created a legal structure for such an entity – what leaders of the group described as an “empty warehouse” that will be filled during the January 2012 meeting. Those choosing to join the new Reformed body could potentially have three options – including two that would bestow what as “dual citizenship.”

- Leave: Leave the PC(USA) altogether and belong solely to the new Reformed body. That would mean formally asking to be dismissed from the PC(USA) to the new body and negotiating with the presbytery regarding property issues. Pastors and church employees would cease participating in the Board of Pensions retirement and medical insurance plans. In the new body, congregations would own their own property.

- Union. Become a union congregation with membership both in the PC(USA) and the new body. Those congregations could continue participation in the Board of Pensions medical insurance and retirement plans.

- Affiliate. Seek some sort of “affiliate status” – either by joining the new body and being an “affiliate” of the PC(USA), or belonging to the PC(USA) and being an affiliate of the new body. Creating a new affiliate status for congregations (rather than for individual members) would require approval from the General Assembly.


Essential tenets. The January meeting will spell out the “rights and responsibilities” involved with joining the new Reformed body, and it will include a statement of essential tenets that those drafting the document consider evangelical, orthodox and morally sound. “By golly, we’re going to stand on Scripture and its authority,” and not be embarrassed to describe essential truths, said Jim Singleton, a pastor from Colorado and one of the Fellowship Organizers. A group will begin writing that document soon and will post its proposal on the Fellowship’s Web site this fall to solicit feedback.


Ecclesial orders. There has been discussion of creating a new order for Presbyterians willing to take a vow of theological orthodoxy. It would be  modeled on Roman Catholic orders that require those joining to take particular vows.


Proposed overtures. Among the overtures the Fellowship will suggest for the 2012 General Assembly is likely to be one for a national “gracious separation” policy for congregations wanting to leave the PC(USA).


Leaders acknowledged that each of these ideas is a work in progress. Based on feedback gained and questions raised at this gathering and through subsequent conversations, they will roll out more clearly formulated proposals for action at the January meeting.


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Comments  

 
#26 Robert McClelland 2011-09-16 23:44
@Dan Clark, Sept. 6 posting...
Dear Mr. Clark, please let me help you with your vision. The fourth pastor from the left in the picture is Korean. The sixth pastor from the left is under 40. To minorities within the PC(USA) in the same picture that you looked at for days. Just trying to help.
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#25 Stuart Gordon 2011-09-15 10:15
In response to my fellow Union grad Sam Alexander, I'll say why I sympathize with the FOP. No one really believes that the P.C. (U.S.A.) is going to reverse the decision on 10-A. We've watched the vote eroded over the years; whether the reason is that opposition was driven away, or that younger presbyters are coming into presbyteries in support of 10-A, or that older presbyters are changing their minds, the fact is that no one expects this vote to be reversed again. The debate is over. To speak of "staying and making our case" is an invitation to be simply a pain in everyone's rear end.

That gets to the salient point: anyone who, in good conscience, cannot support 10-A will soon enough be an outcast among colleagues. We've heard the argument made for years, which now has won the day: blacks were excluded, women were excluded, gays were excluded. Anyone who, in good conscience, does not accept that analogy and cannot endorse sexual activity by LGBT folks, will be marginalized. CPM's and COM's will treat them with the greatest suspicion. Opportunities will be limited, severely limited in some presbyteries.

Please acknowledge, Sam, that "abiding by our polity" is something that many people refused to do in the years of Fidelity-Chastity, for reasons of conscience. The sad reality is that we are severely divided, according to conscience, on this issue, and the larger issue of how we understand scripture. Using Calvin's words (IV.ii.5), our communion is not held together by agreement in sound doctrine and brotherly love.

No Calvinist wants to be schismatic; but as Professor Leith wrote, "It is also certain that for Calvin faithlessness is a greater sin than disunity" (Intro to the Ref. Trad., 54).
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#24 Wylie Merrill 2011-09-11 18:03
As a layman I could not agree more with P. W. Gregory. The die is cast. In reading the history of the Presbyterian body it seems to have a schism roughly every forty years. Each shredding is argued with heat, passion, and persuasive arguments and of course the consequences partially thought through. And then the litmus testing begins. When it comes to property, real assets, grants, bequeaths, pensions, partially executed contracts entered into by church bodies - things can get pretty parochial quickly with those lovely lawsuits guaranteed. I say talk on.
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#23 Rev. Samuel G. Alexander 2011-09-10 07:12
'Quasi-split' idea is 'un-Presbyterian'
'Quasi-split' idea is 'un-Presbyterian'

Dear Editor,

Let me see if I’ve got this right. It was OK for “conservatives” to stay in the denomination when the PC(USA) did not allow for homosexual ordination. We “liberal” types stuck around and made our case over time - even though we believed what was happening was very, very wrong. Now that our point of view is the majority and the conservatives think what is going on is very, very wrong, many want to form non-geographical presbyteries as a way to distance themselves from the rest of us. That is instead of staying and making their case. I have some sympathy for their point of view. It comes down to this: they are certain they are right and feel honor bound to abide by their convictions. But when in our ordination vows we agree to abide by the church’s polity, we are agreeing to be part of a group that says what is “right” or what is “wrong” theologically is ultimately decided by majority vote. This quasi-split idea is downright un-Presbyterian.


Grace and peace,
Rev. Samuel G. Alexander
First Presbyterian Church of San Rafael
San Rafael, Calif.
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#22 Daniel Morrison 2011-09-09 16:20
I had a terrific time at the Gathering. It was fun to be with old classmates from seminary, former pastors who mentored me, and colleagues from my home presbytery. It was also a delight to be among so many Presbyterians and not feel obliged to defend the tenets of the apostolic faith. What resonated most with me was Jim Singleton's observation that the two wings of the PC(USA) use the same words to mean different things. Too much of life within the PC(USA) has become an exercise in inter-faith dialogue -- awkward attempts at conversation between people who, in fact, are followers of different religions.
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#21 Bill Oei 2011-09-09 01:32
"Create a presbytery within a presbytery" should be the title for what is described in Tier Two (entitled "Presbyteries Within Presbyteries" at The Gathering). Tier Three was entitled "Affiliations and Councils" at The Gathering but it might be more clearly titled "Parallel Committees" or something along those lines. What is described in Tier Three in this article does not describe creating a presbytery within a presbytery.
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#20 Tom Scruggs 2011-09-08 13:08
Having been in a Church torn apart by a cause unlated to this issue, but deeply divided nevertheless, once splintering happens within a Church or a Denomination, a disservice is done to the Body of Christ and time does not always heal the division. So in my humble opinion, when we start actions leading to separating any official body within the PCUSA or even the PCUSA itself, we are doomed to even a greater minority role with less influence in the Religious community at large.
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#19 Michael Bush 2011-09-08 08:13
This comment thread is remarkable. Rabbi Friedman would have known exactly what to make of it.

A few members of the family back away from the dysfunction, calmly define what they're going to be and do next, and the rest of the family starts yelling their heads off at them, trying to restore the old order.
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#18 Tom Hobson 2011-09-06 07:39
It is painfully obvious that Dan Clark was not at the Minneapolis gathering, or he would have seen that women were (by my estimate) 35% of those in attendance, which compares favorably with the percentage of women clergy in our church. Women clergy actually exceeded what one would have expected for this gathering, since evangelical women are a definite minority of all women clergy, and a high proportion of those who do exist showed up for this gathering. Dan Clark may not realize that our lead conservative spokesperson in the latest PJC cases on ordination was a woman, Rev Dr Mary Naegeli, a woman who speaks more sense than most men or women do on the issue of Scripture, sexuality, and ordination. Dan is just one of a huge crowd in our church who wish to judge a whole movement not on its theological merits, but by checking the face of those involved. The Bible clearly condemns the "lifting of faces", yet those who wish to rightly advocate for justice for women and for all races often end up doing the very thing they condemn: checking everyone's face. And I would argue that all of this checking of faces is just a prop for left-wing theological favoritism, which has produced the grassroots revolt that we saw in Minneapolis.
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#17 Rev Dan Clark 2011-09-06 07:00
I have looked at this picture in your article for several days now and have concluded it demonstrates all that is wrong with this "mvoement": there are no women or minorities. Can anyone meaningfully conclude this represents any signficant voice in the church without women and minorities in this picture? Does anyone believe there is any attempt to include women and minorities in this gathering? I find it unnerving and disturbing and wonder if many are not attempting to roll back the clock to 1953.
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