| RE: ‘open letter’ to the PC(USA) |
| Written by Benjamin Sparks | ||||||||||||
| Monday, 11 July 2011 00:53 | ||||||||||||
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Response to an ad by the church's Committee on Theological Education that ran in the print edition of Dear Editor:
Your Responses (6)
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Mary Harris Todd
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Rocky Mount, North Carolina Dear Editor: I greatly appreciated O. Benjamin Sparks’ letter to the editor in the August 8 issue of the Outlook, as well as the Pentecost 2011 letter from the Committee on Theological Education that inspired it. Twenty-one years into a small church pastorate, I still find it exciting, challenging and rewarding. The facility-rich, money-rich, resource-rich, staff-rich and program-rich model is not the only faithful way to “do church.” It is not the only good structure for the work of drawing people into the embrace of Jesus Christ. It is not even the appropriate model for every context, culture, or population group. What if we stopped seeing small size as a problem or a failure and viewed it instead as an opportunity and even a strategic advantage? What if we saw small, strong congregations as one of God’s strategies for reaching people? At the moment, the PC(USA) is rich in small congregations, and just maybe God wants it that way. Many people will not be reached through models of church that require affluence. What is required is a model that is rich in faith, rich in prayer, rich in relationships, and rich in simplicity, creativity, and flexibility. It is a blessing not to have large facilities and too many things that must be maintained. Trusting God, a small church can move quickly to meet people on a personal level. Yes, some small congregations are unhealthy and may need to die by closure, but larger congregations can also be unhealthy. Yes, many small churches need transformation, but doesn’t every church need God to transform it? Isn’t every congregation called to be reformed according to the Word of God and the call of the Spirit? And this, too, is certain: whatever its size, every congregation is called to lay down its life, take up the cross and follow Jesus. Initiatives such as “For Such a Time as This,” which pairs small congregations with recent seminary graduates, are a step in the right direction. Imagine what could happen if working through small, strong congregations became one of the PC(USA)’s respected and cherished strategies for reaching people in the name of Jesus. Imagine the greater diversity of people we could reach out to and the greater number of communities the PC(USA) could be active in. Imagine if we developed creative ways to support the faithful indigenous leadership that is in the small churches we already have. Simply inviting small church folk to come to a leadership event here and there is not enough. This is going to require personal, onsite attention in the small church’s home territory, and the best mentors will come from small churches. And imagine what could happen if we started new congregations that will deliberately be small, whose goals may well NOT include owning a building or accumulating wealth. Think of the flexibility they would have in responding to God’s call to mission! If the PC(USA) hopes to share the good news of Jesus, and if we want to deploy our small congregations in that effort, then we must fulfill our ordination vow to serve with energy, intelligence, imagination and love. As the COTE letter notes, this includes making imaginative use of our money across the church. And it includes loving our small congregations. Small churches are a great place to learn to be a pastor, and a great place to learn to be a Christian. Remember that they are also a great place to meet Jesus in the first place. Grace and peace, Mary Harris Todd, Pastor Morton Presbyterian Church Rocky Mount, North Carolina maryharristodd.wordpress.com |
p.w. gregory
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lambertville, nj In response to who "owns" the minister. In a short response, for IRS-tax purposes, we are independent contractors-same as MD's or lawyers in a private/group practice. In terms of the larger church, we are ordained as members of presbytery. Unless we voluntarily resign, or do acts which negates that, we remain so. Having served 23 active duty as a military chaplain, 5 years in the clinical/institutional world as a hospital chaplain, now 5 back in the church, I always felt accountable to the greater body in some shape or form, even though my "boss" at any given time could have been an Admiral or CEO of the corporation. As far the local church pastor, regardless of size of the church, it is very, very, very difficult to remove a pastor against their will, in a full-time, standard call. Even in times of documented misconduct. The checks and balances are remarkably with the Pastor, and not COM or Presbytery when issues or conflicts come up. Up until a trial on the floor of Presbyerty if so pushed. And few EPs/Clerks wish to open up that box. But unlike the Romans or Anglicans, who pledge "obedience" to the bishop, our obedience is now a matter of flux, joyfully submit, to what and to whom? And is my bible and interpretation different from yours? All very subjective now. But like all else in the new enity post PCUSA (1982-2011) you sort of make this up as we go along. In essence I think of course God and Christ owns the ministry and "call". Not man. But in terms of process and behaviors, we own ourselves, and are responsible for such, the "devil" does not make us do it. |
Dennis Maher
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Lake Luzerne, NY After much experience in the pastorate, on presbytery and GA staff (with the call system), I ask: What would a full time minister of a 50 member (80? 100?) church do? Would a church be more or less able to push a minister out if a larger church is footing the bill? Who "owns" the minister? |
p.w. gregory
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lambertville, nj Jim from the People's Republic of Calif. There are many terms and motivations one can ascribe to clergy career progresson or shall we say "ambition". Greed is not one one them, nor is it fair to assume such as a motivational factor for all. The free market applies to career choices and fields, as much as it does to opinions and ideas. If you desire to example a "command and control system" in the church I offer the Board of Pensions. You really have no choice but to join if you seek a call or terms of. You are pooled with all other clergy, some of whom make very bad career, health, behavoral choices, some have the dumb luck to get cancer or their spouse or kids in drug rehab. So my church pays it quarterly bill, not because of me of my good cholestoral or excellent habits, but because Pastor X down the street needs gastric-bypass. It is what it is. It is called shared and "pooled risk" over a population sub-set to all can access goods and services. This is why in the People's Republic you pay far higher auto insurance rates, home insurance rates, and higher personal income tax than I in Pa. Don't like it, move. But do not whine about it. But Pastor X down the street with his surgery and other issues may not have that option. Do we now tell him, sorry, on your own? And if he happens to serve a church that cannot pay presbytery minimum, if that, well, its a free country. Maybe he can pick up some hours at WalMart In the new enity, post 10-A and New FOG, the core and central question, from clergy pay to future of the church itself. Is what amount of shared risk, or pooled collective buy-in do we choose to have? Do I risk my church in a presbytery that is racing off the cliff? Do I risk my career in making choices, when once made there is no "do over". And what of my troubled friend, Pastor X with the food addictions, what do I risk for him? I am his "keeper"???? I think there is something in the red letter Jesus words Bible about that. All good questions. But choices will be made, if not by you, then others will make it for you. |
Jim Conner
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Arcadia, Ca Simple solutions are often not quite as simple as they appear. Compensation in the discussions of P.W. Gregory and Benjamin sparks focus on the greed of those at the lower end of the pay scale in congregations and then move quickly to solutions. When I returned to the West Coast after serving for half of my Adult life in the Midwest [to a Culture that was a complete mystery to me.] My housing expense went from $400 a month to $4,000. I got an increase in pay of a comparable amount. But I also started paying a deductible over twice as much for the same Insurance coverage, and much more for food and water no longer comes from the well, and Californians use the least amount of electricity in the nation but pay a rate five times higher. So on Paper I make a lot more than a lost of people. I am blessed but these simplistic approaches to compensation are unrealistic. Just 10 miles away from my community a house costs 60% of what it does where I serve. So how would that square with a 'Presbytery Minimum' as Mr. Gregory argues should limit by percentage what people make. Command and control economics have not worked anywhere in the world. Command and control politics have failed the PCUSA as well by excluding educated and talented voices. There are fewer and fewer large steeple churches in the PCUSA, and a bunch are looking to leave, as a group those with 400 members or more have 80% of all the members and pay that much in per-capita as well. But if you look deeper you will find many churches supported by the denomination that only pay per-capita pout of the gifts they receive from the denomination anyway, so the actual percentage that originates in larger churches is even larger than it would appear at first glance. A system that would reward people based on a system like the one for government employees would be cost prohibitive without the ability to tax church members for services. Command and Control entities cost more and are more inefficient and they reward those committed to mediocrity. It's as simple as that. When I know someone who is payed well for a job well done I am happy for them. When someone wants to tell me why a particular mission should not be undertaken, or how I/we should spend money we raise and sacrifice for, it truly borders on arrogance and although I believe the intent is good [wanting more resources to go for the 'best causes'] please know we all have those thoughts. May you all be richly blessed in your service of the Lord and may you bless those whom God has blessed with riches and those whom the rich will be able to bless with their Lord. Jim Conner |
p.w. gregory
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lambertville, nj The core issue of PCUSA clergy employment remains the nature of our "call" system. We treat and assume all PCUSA clergy are eternal economic-free agents, able to sell their goods and services to the highest bidder, when and where possible. The progressive march from small to tall "steeple" is part of the DNA of the vocation. The end results is you have far too many PIFs chasing far too few larger churches, with clergy imbalance of geogrpaphy, coasts vs. mid-west and location, suburban vs. urban and country. The "fix" would require outside the box thinking and some sacrifice with those at the top of the income scale. This is why it would never fly. Presbytery could set both floor and ceiling in pay-scales. Churches would remit all clergy related payments to a central enity, which would pay the clergy, not the local or employing church. Further, no one clergy could be paid more than 150% of minimum in any given presbytery. Further pay increaes would be tied to the CPI used by the Social Security Administration for COLAs. I can hear the howls of pain and bleating now. This would resemble wage and pay scales used in the public sector, known to all, at the start of a career. Those who feel "called" to this system know what they committing too. Those who cannot, are free to seek employment in other sectors or area of interest. Further the "Full time call" covenant type employment understanding would be scraped in favor of revolving 1 to 5 year employment contracts with opt-out provisions and gates along the way. Much healthier to for the clergy and better for all. Transparency and openness works far better than the lies and deceptions many times involved with the calls and seeking new calls which we have now. And the entire church, large, small, rich and poor would be better served. |














